MiSTer PCXT

[Akuma]

It still does not work, running the command manually in the console gives:
ERROR: '/media/usb0/games/PCXT/hdd.img', file size does not match standard CHS geometry (x:16:63), please specify geometry explicitly with -g

I think someone mentioned having this error but it still worked for him. Should I try with a smaller disk, like 20MB?

That error means that the size of the file you created is not a multiple of 516096 bytes.

The standard geometry it's talking about is x cylinders (x varies), 16 heads, 63 sectors per head. A sector is 512 bytes. Since the only parameter you can vary is the number of cylinders, the size must be an exact multiple of one cylinder, that is, of 16*63*512 = 516096 bytes; otherwise you have to specify a different geometry (cylinders, heads and sectors) with the -g parameter by editing the serdrive command in the script that mounts the disk.

This thing is driving me crazy:
On Github for serdrive I found default is a 32 MB disk, with CHS geometry 65:16:63.
I tried it but it did not work. After calculation it happens this is not 32MB but 33.54624MD.
My disk is 33,554,432 bytes, how do I calculate the damn thing?

You don't, its a computer, let it do all the hard work for you *see post below*

What's the easiest way to create a raw disk image that has the correct geometry? I'm having the same issue with every raw file I create.

With Linux, try with:

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dd if=/dev/zero of=<target_name> bs=516096 count=<number_of_cylinders>

For a specific size, divide the required size in bytes by 516096 and round up to obtain the number of cylinders.

For example, for 20 MiB, that's 41 cylinders because 20*1024*1024/516096 = 40.63492...

Try c-style calculation, its easier:

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dd if=/dev/zero bs=$((16*63*512)) count=<number_of_cylinders> of=<target_name>

Did you try "digger" by any chance?

Digger works as far as i can see

Nice, I'm holding off for a bit due to time constraints

[wark91]

After some tests, I found one game Commander Keen 4 (CGA version) raised a divider issue at the start of the game.

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I tried the same HDD on PCEM and it can goes in game:

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Thanks.

[Akuma]

After some tests, I found one game Commander Keen 4 (CGA version) raised a divider issue at the start of the game.

Which version do you use (sha256sums) ?

v1.0

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66dcf6070a4bc5c8933815b15dab7145ddcccb959f8f43af2a0449b085a04366  AUDIO.CK4
5734c4eee44eab5b0a296297b27ae6f541ce33382bda5dcfd8b674bb33f23a96  CGAGRAPH.CK4
01186f8cb99257b69a4f475186deb9ba79b872ed52378131c79c21f6344753ea  GAMEMAPS.CK4
cfd35e100d4da507d773860642e8fcd02638aeea03d78ba4aa0a51589ba99116  KEEN4C.EXE

v1.1

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66dcf6070a4bc5c8933815b15dab7145ddcccb959f8f43af2a0449b085a04366  AUDIO.CK4
5734c4eee44eab5b0a296297b27ae6f541ce33382bda5dcfd8b674bb33f23a96  CGAGRAPH.CK4
01186f8cb99257b69a4f475186deb9ba79b872ed52378131c79c21f6344753ea  GAMEMAPS.CK4
f838ee104b4670a1454956b9de5bd38118551fb5eaa55a8aa11ff6c6e5850eb0  KEEN4C.EXE

[wark91]

@akuma,
I have those

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sha256sum *
66dcf6070a4bc5c8933815b15dab7145ddcccb959f8f43af2a0449b085a04366  AUDIO.CK4
46385dcfe78e0afb1efce228874ca9f6a27362218059abc87b5522ee5d4d1f53  CATALOG.EXE
5734c4eee44eab5b0a296297b27ae6f541ce33382bda5dcfd8b674bb33f23a96  CGAGRAPH.CK4
99e449c4d29160f0e6c464a55ce150c05661132c59f171fb49fb5c15761e6a27  CONFIG.CK4
01186f8cb99257b69a4f475186deb9ba79b872ed52378131c79c21f6344753ea  GAMEMAPS.CK4
f838ee104b4670a1454956b9de5bd38118551fb5eaa55a8aa11ff6c6e5850eb0  KEEN4C.EXE
0f5236fbb2990c20ec686a8e0444e2552f183b2cd35c4a0c9408eab6b14e0b47  ORDER.FRM
7d81cfb816451e366809c34f604b35c69c08f0148222899108b86c7b867906dd  README.DOC

so it is version 1.1.

Thanks !

[NML32]

What version of DOS is recommended? Currently I'm using MS DOS 3.3 but I'm thinking maybe MS DOS 5.0 would be better.
Any suggestions for this PCXT core?

[dmckean]

What version of DOS is recommended? Currently I'm using MS DOS 3.3 but I'm thinking maybe MS DOS 5.0 would be better.
Any suggestions for this PCXT core?

MS DOS 3.3 is small, lightweight and fast on an XT. The later versions use up more conventional memory.

[Malor]

As for the HD controller, I would settle for having a proper implementation of an 8-bit IDE interface on the 300h I/O port, so that I can use it with the XTIDE Universal BIOS in its default configuration.

Pc xt has st506 not ide for thé real world

While true, ST506 was horrible, and you could only tell the difference if you were running really low-level stuff, like calling into the BIOS on the controller to lay down a low-level format.

Simulating all that nonsense would be a huge pain for almost no benefit. IDE is tremendously better and will run about 99.9% of software in exactly the same way. It's not "authentic", but doing crap like low-level formats when your backing store is a disk file on a modern filesystem is just silly.

I mean, with ST506, you had to read the bad sectors off a sticker on the top of the drive (all drives had bad sectors), and enter those into the low level format BIOS routine in your hard drive controller. What possible purpose would replicating that behavior serve?

[held]

According to wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer_XT

• Also known as IBM XT, PC/XT, XT
• Type Personal computer
• Release date March 8, 1983; 39 years ago
• Discontinued April 1987
• Operating system IBM BASIC / PC DOS 2.0-3.20 / PC/IX / SCO Xenix / Minix
• CPU Intel 8088 @ 4.77 MHz
• Memory 128–640 KB RAM
• Storage 10–20 MB hard drive
• Graphics MDA, CGA

According to wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS

• Version 3.3 (OEM) – First version to support 3.5-inch, 1.44 MB floppy drives and diskettes, extended and logical partitions, directory tree copying with XCOPY, improved support for internationalization (COUNTRY.SYS),[58] networked file flush operations[59]
• Version 3.3a (OEM)
• Version 3.30; Release date: February, 1988[60]
• Version 3.30A (OEM, DTK); Release date: July, 1987[61]
• Version 3.30T (OEM, Tandy); Release date: July, 1990[62]
• Version 3.31 (Compaq OEM only)[nb 1] – supports FAT16B with partitions larger than 32 MiB;[nb 2] Release date: November, 1989[63]

Was this core supposed to be Tandy compatible?

[spark2k06]

What version of DOS is recommended? Currently I'm using MS DOS 3.3 but I'm thinking maybe MS DOS 5.0 would be better.
Any suggestions for this PCXT core?

MS DOS 3.3 is small, lightweight and fast on an XT. The later versions use up more conventional memory.

I have identified that the problem of not being able to use the high memory (UMB) is due to some incompatibility with the DOSMAX application, when this is identified and solved, we will be able to have 630Kb of conventional memory available in MSDos 6.22.

[spark2k06]

As for the HD controller, I would settle for having a proper implementation of an 8-bit IDE interface on the 300h I/O port, so that I can use it with the XTIDE Universal BIOS in its default configuration.

Pc xt has st506 not ide for thé real world

While true, ST506 was horrible, and you could only tell the difference if you were running really low-level stuff, like calling into the BIOS on the controller to lay down a low-level format.

Simulating all that nonsense would be a huge pain for almost no benefit. IDE is tremendously better and will run about 99.9% of software in exactly the same way. It's not "authentic", but doing crap like low-level formats when your backing store is a disk file on a modern filesystem is just silly.

I mean, with ST506, you had to read the bad sectors off a sticker on the top of the drive (all drives had bad sectors), and enter those into the low level format BIOS routine in your hard drive controller. What possible purpose would replicating that behavior serve?

To a real PCXT you can also add an ISA card with a real IDE controller, the ST506 is just another ISA card with another type of HD. So let's look at it like this, it's as if we had replaced one card for another in a PCXT.

[jca]

To a real PCXT you can also add an ISA card with a real IDE controller, the ST506 is just another ISA card with another type of HD. So let's look at it like this, it's as if we had replaced one card for another in a PCXT.

Not only that but the HDD BIOS was on the controller, the motherboard BIOS did not support HDD.

[dmckean]

Pc xt has st506 not ide for thé real world

While true, ST506 was horrible, and you could only tell the difference if you were running really low-level stuff, like calling into the BIOS on the controller to lay down a low-level format.

Simulating all that nonsense would be a huge pain for almost no benefit. IDE is tremendously better and will run about 99.9% of software in exactly the same way. It's not "authentic", but doing crap like low-level formats when your backing store is a disk file on a modern filesystem is just silly.

I mean, with ST506, you had to read the bad sectors off a sticker on the top of the drive (all drives had bad sectors), and enter those into the low level format BIOS routine in your hard drive controller. What possible purpose would replicating that behavior serve?

To a real PCXT you can also add an ISA card with a real IDE controller, the ST506 is just another ISA card with another type of HD. So let's look at it like this, it's as if we had replaced one card for another in a PCXT.

I actually ran with this configuration back in the day as buying an IDE drive and 8-bit IDE controller was MUCH cheaper than buying a large MFM hard disk.

[jca]

Very important:
You must install the exe file contained in the attached zip and make sure to run it before loading a different core.

[spark2k06]

@kitune-san, I'm making a revert of the latest changes, up to the changes corresponding to beta 1.0... my experience with GitHub is not very complete so I haven't finished it yet, I will do it.

I'll tell you why. Finally the latest proposed improvements in DMA seem to be affecting the loading of the HD image via serial port, but specifically in the Juko ST BIOS, in Sergey's BIOS it works. However, before this change the image loading works fine on both.

As for the keyboard improvement proposal, I have to do more tests, but although it works fine again in the 8088 BIOS, it doesn't seem to work well in Juko ST, this is my feeling, I have to test it more and today I won't have more time for it.....

I'll let you know what's new or more details about it. Nevertheless, thanks for the huge effort you are doing to improve all these aspects.

[spark2k06]

Nowadays, I prioritise the correct operation of Juko ST or IBM 5160 against Sergey's 8088, the reason is the one I already mentioned...apart from the keyboard issue, the feeling is that it is slower, the screen scrolls are slower, I don't know why. I like this BIOS a lot, but I prefer smooth scrolls, as soon as that can be revised in the BIOS code, I have no doubt to go back to it... as it provides more information per screen and it is Open Source.

[jordi]

I've created this video-tutorial on how to use this core:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nRsPjLSqxE

I hope I was clear enough, I'm a bit sick.

[breiztiger]

as i remember i haven't get any ide controler on xt pc

i know that today we have this kind of isa card but in 1980s, i don't think so

and to have a real xt core we must have original setup

[spark2k06]

as i remember i haven't get any ide controler on xt pc

i know that today we have this kind of isa card but in 1980s, i don't think so

and to have a real xt core we must have original setup

It is also a question of cost-benefit, IDE will be easier to do, so it will be done for sure, the other alternative will always be there...and if it is done, it would be offered to select one or the other from the OSD.

[dmckean]

as i remember i haven't get any ide controler on xt pc

i know that today we have this kind of isa card but in 1980s, i don't think so

and to have a real xt core we must have original setup

They certainly existed in the 80s. Remember that the PCXT clone era spanned more than a decade. They were still being made and sold as late as 1992. I didn't own my first XT clone until 1989.

[tontonkaloun]

The IDE was release in 1986, but it's true that PC XT hard drives were often MFMs

[Bas]

There's always SCSI if you want a challenge! On a more serious note, having a SCSI interface figured out could benefit Amiga, AO486 and more computer cores.

[dmckean]

There's always SCSI if you want a challenge! On a more serious note, having a SCSI interface figured out could benefit Amiga, AO486 and more computer cores.

I think the Sparcstation core has working SCSI.

[breiztiger]

finaly we'll got frankenstein pc not pc xt

[thorr]

I am in support of SCSI support. It certainly existed back in the day and was often considered the superior option. If this can be taken from the Sparcstation core, that would be great. However, I have my doubts that it would just drop in unless it is equivalent to an Adaptec controller because SCSI required Adaptec drivers from what I recall. I can't remember how you can boot off it before loading the drivers (chicken and the egg). Maybe a floppy would be the boot drive. It seems that IDE support is the simplest overall solution though. I don't know if IDE requires a certain version of DOS, but being able to run DOS 3.1 should be possible to be more authentic with the core IMO. Also, I am fully in support of a proper full low level IDE implementation rather than a hack so it will work with any OS. Of course, I will happily accept whatever we can get.

[Malor]

as i remember i haven't get any ide controler on xt pc

i know that today we have this kind of isa card but in 1980s, i don't think so

and to have a real xt core we must have original setup

Doing ST506 will be really hard and really unnecessary. There's ZERO benefit to running MFM or RLL. All it adds is irrelevant hassle. It's backed by a file, it's not real hardware, so adding all that complexity does. no. good.

Look at what the Monotech NuXT is doing... it's a new motherboard that takes an 8088 or NEC V10 chip. The design principle seems to be "the best possible XT". It provides 832K of total RAM, onboard VGA, and onboard 8-bit IDE. They're not interested in trying to simulate ST506. Not having to deal with low level formatting is a feature, not a bug.

I am in support of SCSI support. It certainly existed back in the day and was often considered the superior option. If this can be taken from the Sparcstation core, that would be great. However, I have my doubts that it would just drop in unless it is equivalent to an Adaptec controller because SCSI required Adaptec drivers from what I recall. I can't remember how you can boot off it before loading the drivers (chicken and the egg). Maybe a floppy would be the boot drive. It seems that IDE support is the simplest overall solution though. I don't know if IDE requires a certain version of DOS, but being able to run DOS 3.1 should be possible to be more authentic with the core IMO. Also, I am fully in support of a proper full low level IDE implementation rather than a hack so it will work with any OS. Of course, I will happily accept whatever we can get.

There might be enough room on the FPGA, but you've got a problem with XTs that pretty much all their interrupts are taken. Implementing SCSI on an XT will probably require that other period hardware be disabled to free up an IRQ.

In real life, I think you almost never saw SCSI on an XT. It wasn't really possible until the AT, which had a few 16-bit interrupts that were free. Even then it could be a huge hassle if you wanted a sound card, networking, and SCSI all at the same time.

edit: also, building a convincing SCSI chip on an FPGA would probably be a freaking science project. That could take a year or more, all by itself.

[MicroCoreLabs]

edit: also, building a convincing SCSI chip on an FPGA would probably be a freaking science project. That could take a year or more, all by itself.

Perhaps if a NIOS soft-processor was integrated into the FPGA a disk controller could be handled in software written in C...

[dmckean]

Doing ST506 will be really hard and really unnecessary. There's ZERO benefit to running MFM or RLL. All it adds is irrelevant hassle. It's backed by a file, it's not real hardware, so adding all that complexity does. no. good.

Look at what the Monotech NuXT is doing... it's a new motherboard that takes an 8088 or NEC V10 chip. The design principle seems to be "the best possible XT". It provides 832K of total RAM, onboard VGA, and onboard 8-bit IDE. They're not interested in trying to simulate ST506. Not having to deal with low level formatting is a feature, not a bug.

I agree with all of this but adapting our existing 16-bit IDE module to 8-bit will probably require a bit of work too. We should probably just go with whatever is the easiest to implement. I'm not sure who else we can reach out to for help with this.

[breiztiger]

i think basic floppy first

[Bas]

SCSI was a bit of a jest. It's not really XT although the machine has ISA and was legitimately expandable with SCSI. I would also not bother with a full blown ST506. Just a facsimile that serves out sectors which come from the backing file should suffice. Mocking the actual controller just enough to fool the original, unmodified BIOS would be the farthest this would need to go I'd say.

[thorr]

The NIOS soft processor sounds interesting. I am not sure if that would allow PCEM code to convert to FPGA with some massaging, but if so, that would be awesome, assuming the end result is cycle accurate reproduction of hardware in FPGA.