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Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:19 pm
by CHR$

I again tried to order one today, logged well in advance, i was able to take one , but the time to type my address and my VISA# (about 1min) and "No stock available" appeared.
In total 3 minutes between the opening of the sales and the running out....
A VERY frustrating experience.

I will be waiting for my QMTech board that is on the way now and forget about MisterPi.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:53 pm
by Mozzie

I'm excited as I was able to snipe one. Looking forward to get into MiSTer after watching from the sidelines since I saw LGR cover it years ago.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:38 pm
by Retro Bill

I was one of the first to get my order in so I snagged me a Mister Pi Mega bundle!

Now it says SOLD OUT!

Hope everyone get a chance to buy one!


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:45 pm
by german_user

No worry at all. Taki wrote meantime that the second batch will be twice as big. Forecast was next 30 Days. That should be the next change to grab one of these. Today i was lucky to get one. Lets see if the board will run with the mms.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:48 pm
by rhester72
Armakuni wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 9:27 am
vanfanel wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 9:11 am

Are you guys implying that both Taki and QMTech use pulled (re-used) chips?
Are you sure about that?
(This is out of curiosity, as I already have many MiSTer setups around for different use cases)

There is a odd belief that due to the boards being cheaper than the DE10, they have to be using salvaged chips. There is no evidence for this

Quite wrong...and there's even photographic evidence in this very forum, not to mention the maker himself stating such before production even began. There's nothing wrong with that, mind you...the primary impact is to supply, not quality.

(That being said, for clarity, this is only for the QMTech boards - Taki's appear to be new stock.)


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:55 pm
by german_user

I saw a picture from the FPGA Chip on the cave discord. On the Photo the datecode was 19/2024. That seems brand new chips and not used ones.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:03 pm
by vanfanel
german_user wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:55 pm

I saw a picture from the FPGA Chip on the cave discord. On the Photo the datecode was 19/2024. That seems brand new chips and not used ones.

Is that for the Taki Mister Pi or the QMTech board?


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:49 pm
by Retro-Nerd

Taki only uses brand new chips. It's time to stop this discussion.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:30 pm
by rhester72
Retro-Nerd wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:49 pm

Taki only uses brand new chips. It's time to stop this discussion.

Not sure if people just aren't actually following the thread or what, but that's not in dispute (nor has it been). Thanks for your contribution.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:57 pm
by dickhardpill
rhester72 wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:10 am
akeley wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:09 am

I've heard some people expressing doubts whether his deal with Altera is real.

I don't think there ever was a "deal with Alterra". The FPGAs are clearly chip pulls. Intel doesn't/wouldn't do those themselves and they don't resell used chips. They have to be coming from a recycler.

rhester72 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:30 pm
Retro-Nerd wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:49 pm

Taki only uses brand new chips. It's time to stop this discussion.

Not sure if people just aren't actually following the thread or what, but that's not in dispute (nor has it been). Thanks for your contribution.

I think people may experience confusion because there were previously made statements that didn’t specify QMT. Since this is a thread titled “MiSTer Pi” I can only assume people think those statements are about the MiSTer Pi.

Edited to add;
Someone would need to go back and read the full post quoted to realize QMT was who I assume akeley was referring.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:00 pm
by Retro-Nerd
rhester72 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:30 pm
Retro-Nerd wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:49 pm

Taki only uses brand new chips. It's time to stop this discussion.

Not sure if people just aren't actually following the thread or what, but that's not in dispute (nor has it been). Thanks for your contribution.

Vanfanel was already confused about that. So...


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:26 pm
by vanfanel
Retro-Nerd wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:00 pm
rhester72 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:30 pm
Retro-Nerd wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:49 pm

Taki only uses brand new chips. It's time to stop this discussion.

Not sure if people just aren't actually following the thread or what, but that's not in dispute (nor has it been). Thanks for your contribution.

Vanfanel was already confused about that. So...

I don't count, I live by the principles or Confucio, who invented confusion.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:29 pm
by dickhardpill

I’m more of a Cornholio kind of guy


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 11:35 pm
by aberu
rickdangerous wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:18 am

Name is stupid but everyone talks :)

Agreed, it's a bad name, but not much you can do about it. It's already done.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 11:38 pm
by aberu
german_user wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:55 pm

I saw a picture from the FPGA Chip on the cave discord. On the Photo the datecode was 19/2024. That seems brand new chips and not used ones.

Yes, the chips he's using are likely brand new. You can find new bulk stock of the slightly different model numbers that are fully compatible if you look deep enough for like 25-35 bucks each. However, with them selling this fast if the suppliers get word of that the price may not stay this way for long.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 11:50 pm
by dickhardpill

It could have been worse?

MiSTer FPiGA maybe?

The only reason I don't like the name is because there are sooo many "pi" devices; orange, banana, raspberry... I'll stop here before I get gross.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 7:39 pm
by McGyver88
neogeo81 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:22 am
bazza_12 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:22 am

i wonder how long they took to sell out. i'd be surprised if i dont see them on ebay with an added 1/3rd price increase.

the mega pack was sold out after 5 mins

5 min, less than 2. The dang site wouldn't allow me to enter my address and by the time I got that done it said it was sold out and removed from my cart. I was a little frustrated. I made an account and added my information the night before so I wouldn't have trouble and it was for nothing.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:24 pm
by gregory003

Maybe those clone boards are too cheap? Some problems began appearing, like some problems with core speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXZq8DFbnzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-8Uz9qI3M

or lack of some features:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MiSTerFPGA/com ... pr_output/


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:12 pm
by Antoine.WG
dickhardpill wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 11:50 pm

It could have been worse?

MiSTer FPiGA maybe?

The only reason I don't like the name is because there are sooo many "pi" devices; orange, banana, raspberry... I'll stop here before I get gross.

It really is unimaginative. It also was likely not already copyrighted.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:21 pm
by Retro-Nerd

The Cyclone V isn't that expensive. It's the Intel Board, or what Intel wants for it. Hardly suprising that Chinese board manufacturer can produce the whole thing for a much better price.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:01 pm
by german_user
Retro-Nerd wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:21 pm

The Cyclone V isn't that expensive. It's the Intel Board, or what Intel wants for it. Hardly suprising that Chinese board manufacturer can produce the whole thing for a much better price.

That's not true. From solid sources the single chip was priced mostly the same as the complete DE10 Board. Thats why nobody makes a clone all the years. I dont know why there are now cheaper, but if the price was really cheap, QMTech would not use pulled chips. Look also on Vampire cards, they use a cheaper chip, but the price is high...


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:59 am
by Retro-Nerd

The original DE10 Board still costs what? 220 US Dollar? And the Cyclone V FPGA these days? 70-90 US Dollar? Taki said Batch 2 is even bigger. So he obvioulsy made a good deal for more than 4000 FPGAs already. Can't imagine that he paid more than 50-60 US Dollar each.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:22 am
by CHR$

Whatever the Cyclone V source, this is a great solution to be able to finally get a Mister at a reasonable price.
Only issue for now is the availability as they have a tendency to sell off within 3 minutes that is very frustrating.
Hope that the October batch will be much larger in order to satisfy any buyer out there.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:13 am
by rickdangerous
dickhardpill wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 11:50 pm

It could have been worse?

MiSTer FPiGA maybe?

The only reason I don't like the name is because there are sooo many "pi" devices; orange, banana, raspberry... I'll stop here before I get gross.

MiSTer BANAna would be a pretty awesome name.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:55 am
by german_user
gregory003 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:24 pm

or lack of some features:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MiSTerFPGA/com ... pr_output/

Not sure if that is realy a problem of Mr. Pi Addon. I look at the board from ultimatemister.com and it seems there is no jumper for SoG either. But he has the second sd card populated.
Have a deeper look to the schematics, perhaps there is no jumper for it by design ?


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:43 pm
by neogeo81
rickdangerous wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:13 am
dickhardpill wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 11:50 pm

It could have been worse?

MiSTer FPiGA maybe?

The only reason I don't like the name is because there are sooo many "pi" devices; orange, banana, raspberry... I'll stop here before I get gross.

MiSTer BANAna would be a pretty awesome name.

MiSTer Pi Nis


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:11 pm
by limi
CHR$ wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:22 am

Hope that the October batch will be much larger in order to satisfy any buyer out there.

2× the size of the last batch:


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:24 pm
by rickdangerous
limi wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:11 pm
CHR$ wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:22 am

Hope that the October batch will be much larger in order to satisfy any buyer out there.

2× the size of the last batch:

Will fit the double of the Amiga (Vision) Games :mrgreen:


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:31 pm
by rickdangerous
german_user wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:55 am
gregory003 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:24 pm

or lack of some features:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MiSTerFPGA/com ... pr_output/

Not sure if that is realy a problem of Mr. Pi Addon. I look at the board from ultimatemister.com and it seems there is no jumper for SoG either. But he has the second sd card populated.
Have a deeper look to the schematics, perhaps there is no jumper for it by design ?

SOG was removed from the new design / board but you can activate on the MiSTer ini when using AV module. This was on purpose.
Our board has other details at all levels, button size, ADC, hq connectors, OMRON buttons, led isolators, and many more.
We're never going to sell the boards on the cheap, a lot of time was spent on all the details and also lot of work on updating the cores.


Re: MiSTer Pi

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:38 am
by neogeo81
gregory003 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:24 pm

Maybe those clone boards are too cheap? Some problems began appearing, like some problems with core speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXZq8DFbnzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-8Uz9qI3M

or lack of some features:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MiSTerFPGA/com ... pr_output/

i watched all videos and didn't see any problems. could you elaborate?