MiSTer FPGA Forum

dickhardpill wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:11 pm

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_M ... es/arcade/

I’m not sure how complete this list is

"SNK Neo Geo AES & MVS" is listed under Console Cores, not Arcade Cores. There is also a link to Jotegos Cores pointed to his personal repo. The separation is a little strange. Fortunately, there is good documentation on how to submit a pull request.

Would love to see a Qix core!

BabaYaga326 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 11:21 pm

Would love to see a Qix core!

Same, one of the well-known classics that is still missing.

Qix also done some years ago, you might need to compile it to see state it's at - https://github.com/EisernSchild/FAMI

niallquinn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:11 pm

Qix also done some years ago, you might need to compile it to see state it's at - https://github.com/EisernSchild/FAMI

Interesting. Wow, that is old code. I do see MiSTer specific files there, but the framework would need to get a big update.

Another missing classic is Pole Position. There's a very old video of someone who made an FPGA version of it. The same situation with Sega's Monaco GP, which is a discrete logic game.

LamerDeluxe wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:53 am

niallquinn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:11 pm

Qix also done some years ago, you might need to compile it to see state it's at - https://github.com/EisernSchild/FAMI

Interesting. Wow, that is old code. I do see MiSTer specific files there, but the framework would need to get a big update.

Another missing classic is Pole Position. There's a very old video of someone who made an FPGA version of it. The same situation with Sega's Monaco GP, which is a discrete logic game.

Pole Position, aye, good call.

"prepare to qualify"!!!

niallquinn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:01 pm

LamerDeluxe wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:53 am

niallquinn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:11 pm

Qix also done some years ago, you might need to compile it to see state it's at - https://github.com/EisernSchild/FAMI

Interesting. Wow, that is old code. I do see MiSTer specific files there, but the framework would need to get a big update.

Another missing classic is Pole Position. There's a very old video of someone who made an FPGA version of it. The same situation with Sega's Monaco GP, which is a discrete logic game.

Pole Position, aye, good call.

"prepare to qualify"!!!

Haha, yeah, that quote has been etched into my mind ever since I first played it as a kid. It was quite impressive at the time.

Pole Position is complicated by the fact that is the only somewhat popular system to run on Zilog Z8000 processors. I don't know if there's an available HDL replica of this CPU to build the core around.

Airwolf © 1987 Kyugo

Main CPU : (2x) Zilog Z80 (@ 4.608 Mhz)
Sound Chips : (2x) General Instrument AY8910 (@ 1.5 Mhz)

Players : 2
Control : 8-way joystick
Buttons : 2

TLPD-AVW wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:03 pm

Pole Position is complicated by the fact that is the only somewhat popular system to run on Zilog Z8000 processors. I don't know if there's an available HDL replica of this CPU to build the core around.

Interesting cpu, 16bit in 1979, came to the market months before Motorolas 680000. I wonder why it wasn't more popular? At the time, expensive I guess.

At least Pole Position 1 & 2 are on the Namco Museum discs for PS1. Haven't fired them recently but I used to have a lot of fun playing them with a NeGcon

jd213 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:54 pm

At least Pole Position 1 & 2 are on the Namco Museum discs for PS1. Haven't fired them recently but I used to have a lot of fun playing them with a NeGcon

I need to try that, I have a lot of NeGcon controllers, they are fantastic for WipEout.

Any possibilities to see here Cabal?

I wonder if you could play the Namco Museum PS1 Pole Position, with the Namco Jog Con controller ?
That would be epic, as Pole Position is hard to get the controls right with emulation, as the original had a continuous steering wheel.

Bristles wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:06 pm

I wonder if you could play the Namco Museum PS1 Pole Position, with the Namco Jog Con controller ?
That would be epic, as Pole Position is hard to get the controls right with emulation, as the original had a continuous steering wheel.

If the original supported it and you're using SNAC, I don't see why not.

Bristles wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:06 pm

I wonder if you could play the Namco Museum PS1 Pole Position, with the Namco Jog Con controller ?
That would be epic, as Pole Position is hard to get the controls right with emulation, as the original had a continuous steering wheel.

Actually, I'm playing RRT4 and VRally 2 with a JogCon right now on MiSTer (and with a Topdrive Reactor, which is a really cool driving controller, that supports JogCon as well). Will test in a moment, I'm not expecting anything, as JogCon support is super rare. Maybe it will support neGcon.

I've actually tried to use JogCon on MiSTer via SNAC a few months ago, but I couldn't force it to switch to NeGcon compatibility mode on system start.
Shoutouts to Taito for coding proper JogCon recognition in Arkanoid R 2000, only to make it limited to saying that this controller is not supported.

LamerDeluxe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:20 pm

Bristles wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:06 pm

I wonder if you could play the Namco Museum PS1 Pole Position, with the Namco Jog Con controller ?
That would be epic, as Pole Position is hard to get the controls right with emulation, as the original had a continuous steering wheel.

Actually, I'm playing RRT4 and VRally 2 with a JogCon right now on MiSTer (and with a Topdrive Reactor, which is a really cool driving controller, that supports JogCon as well). Will test in a moment, I'm not expecting anything, as JogCon support is super rare. Maybe it will support neGcon.

Yeah, please report back. I was hoping that, because Namco Museum is from Namco, and the Jog Con was also Namco's, then they might have support for it. I would test this myself, but I am moving everything around in my games room, and the Mister isn't connected up. I have, for now, gone back to Batocera, mainly because Batocera supports the main popular PC/Console Steering Wheels, right from the off - no drivers needed, just plug in a supported wheel and ALL games, in ALL emulators that have wheel; support just work. Wish Mister was like this, but there is a lot more faffing around, at the moment.

Bristles wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:28 pm

LamerDeluxe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:20 pm

Bristles wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:06 pm

I wonder if you could play the Namco Museum PS1 Pole Position, with the Namco Jog Con controller ?
That would be epic, as Pole Position is hard to get the controls right with emulation, as the original had a continuous steering wheel.

Actually, I'm playing RRT4 and VRally 2 with a JogCon right now on MiSTer (and with a Topdrive Reactor, which is a really cool driving controller, that supports JogCon as well). Will test in a moment, I'm not expecting anything, as JogCon support is super rare. Maybe it will support neGcon.

Yeah, please report back. I was hoping that, because Namco Museum is from Namco, and the Jog Con was also Namco's, then they might have support for it. I would test this myself, but I am moving everything around in my games room, and the Mister isn't connected up. I have, for now, gone back to Batocera, mainly because Batocera supports the main popular PC/Console Steering Wheels, right from the off - no drivers needed, just plug in a supported wheel and ALL games, in ALL emulators that have wheel; support just work. Wish Mister was like this, but there is a lot more faffing around, at the moment.

The JogCon is not recognized by the game, sadly. The neGcon does work, though I didn't seem to be able to enter my name in the highscore list.

TLPD-AVW wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:26 pm

I've actually tried to use JogCon on MiSTer via SNAC a few months ago, but I couldn't force it to switch to NeGcon compatibility mode on system start.
Shoutouts to Taito for coding proper JogCon recognition in Arkanoid R 2000, only to make it limited to saying that this controller is not supported.

Sad, the JogCon would have been a great controller for it.

LamerDeluxe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:20 pm

The JogCon is not recognized by the game, sadly. The neGcon does work, though I didn't seem to be able to enter my name in the highscore list.

Thanks for testing. That is a real shame. I can't get on with the NegCon, it's the twisting that just doesn't feel right for driving, it kind of feels weird.
In MAME, one device that works well with Pole Position is a Spinner, with a Plastic Round Hand Wheel attached to the center pin, rather than a spinner knob, so you have a small constant spinning wheel, and it's superb - with really precise control, which also works well with the Super Sprint games.

Ok, massive edit. Just been talking with a friend who was Playstation mad, and he said the Namco Museum Pole Position worked with the Mad Catz Playstation Steering Wheel - on the wheel, you select analogue mode, and it emulates the NegCon controller. These things are like around £10 - £20, so I am buying one now on eBay, and will report back when it arrives.

Bristles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:01 am

LamerDeluxe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:20 pm

The JogCon is not recognized by the game, sadly. The neGcon does work, though I didn't seem to be able to enter my name in the highscore list.

Thanks for testing. That is a real shame. I can't get on with the NegCon, it's the twisting that just doesn't feel right for driving, it kind of feels weird.
In MAME, one device that works well with Pole Position is a Spinner, with a Plastic Round Hand Wheel attached to the center pin, rather than a spinner knob, so you have a small constant spinning wheel, and it's superb - with really precise control, which also works well with the Super Sprint games.

Ok, massive edit. Just been talking with a friend who was Playstation mad, and he said the Namco Museum Pole Position worked with the Mad Catz Playstation Steering Wheel - on the wheel, you select analogue mode, and it emulates the NegCon controller. These things are like around £10 - £20, so I am buying one now on eBay, and will report back when it arrives.

I absolutely love the neGcon for WipEout games, but I can totally understand that the twisting action feels odd for driving games.

The Logic3 TopDrive Reactor is like an RC car controller, but I think it is a bit rare. It allows you to play some of the neGcon games (like WipEout 3SE and Gran Turismo) with dual shock effects, which aren't available on a regular neGcon and can even translate those effects to the force-feedback wheel.

Most PS1 steering wheels support neGcon mode, as that was the only option at the time for proper analog controls, without a massive deadzone. IIRC with the PS2, Sony at one point decided that the official Gran Turismo steering wheel should be used for racing games and neGcon support died.

For Wipeout, that might work, haven't tried it yet.
Here are some FAQs I found, although most are not complete.

The first one for Namco Museum Vol 1, lists what all the dip switch settings do, as well as the controls. The second link lists the controls for each system.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198031 ... /faqs/4044
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198031 ... faqs/56794

The next link is for Namco Museum Vol 3 (Couldn't find a volume 2 FAQ).
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198033 ... faqs/22327

Volume 4
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198034 ... /faqs/4045

Volume 5 - although not much help, to be honest.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/572492 ... /faqs/7749