MiSTer FPGA Forum

akeley wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:53 pm Is there a list of the currently "locked" cores somewhere? I don't mind sorting them manually.

Spark_Tek wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:04 am Is there any way to just opt into the Open Beta stuff, but not the Closed Betas?

I don't want to start a game and find out it's locked only when it has loaded. It's frustrating.

zakk4223 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:29 am

Spark_Tek wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:04 am Is there any way to just opt into the Open Beta stuff, but not the Closed Betas?

I don't want to start a game and find out it's locked only when it has loaded. It's frustrating.

Nope. He rearranged his releases so that jtbin contains both open and closed betas, and 'jtstable' contains public cores but at a slower cadence than 'jtbin'.

Previously everyone just pulled from jtbin, but now the default is jtstable. Everyone WANTS the open beta cores though, so I bet a large percentage of people opt into it, and experience the issue you are having.

When it was initially said things were being made opt-in, I fully expected a 'jtpatreon' repo to show up that people could opt into. But that's not what we got. Oh well.

Spark_Tek wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:18 am

zakk4223 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:29 am

Spark_Tek wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:04 am Is there any way to just opt into the Open Beta stuff, but not the Closed Betas?

I don't want to start a game and find out it's locked only when it has loaded. It's frustrating.

Nope. He rearranged his releases so that jtbin contains both open and closed betas, and 'jtstable' contains public cores but at a slower cadence than 'jtbin'.

Previously everyone just pulled from jtbin, but now the default is jtstable. Everyone WANTS the open beta cores though, so I bet a large percentage of people opt into it, and experience the issue you are having.

When it was initially said things were being made opt-in, I fully expected a 'jtpatreon' repo to show up that people could opt into. But that's not what we got. Oh well.

I understand Jotego's need for support, but this implementation is not a good user experience. It's rather off-putting that they're using bundling like a cable company does.

So alright, how do I un-pollute my SD card then? Do I have to reinstall everything?

pgimeno wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:50 pm Let me see if I understand the situation.

Jotego is taking GPL2-licensed code, linking it with his own code, and distributing the resulting binaries without providing the full source.

Is that assessment correct?

aberu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:56 pmbut this is irrelevant since the framework is open source.

robinsonb5 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:38 pm

aberu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:56 pmbut this is irrelevant since the framework is open source.

That's not strictly true. If you distribute a binary which contains or links with GPLed code (and you don't have some other license to that code - either by negotiating with its original authors, or by having written it entirely yourself and thus being free to relicense it however you wish) - then you're duty bound to make the corresponding source available to anyone who wants it. ("The “Corresponding Source” for a work in object code form means all the source code needed to generate, install, and (for an executable work) run the object code and to modify the work, including scripts to control those activities." -- GPL 3.0)

The "beta test" argument that's sometimes put forward doesn't hold a lot of water, and it's clearly circumventing the intent of the GPL even if the argument itself were ever found to be valid. (I don't *think* that argument's been tested in court as yet?)
Nonetheless, Jotego does do amazing work, and is clearly acting in good faith, with an established history of releasing source once he's happy with the cores - so there's little to be gained by making waves about it.

And let's face it, the only way to enforce the GPL is legal action. I can't imagine any of the authors of the GPLed code in question caring enough to take it that far!

Gryzor wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:12 pm

Spark_Tek wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:18 am

zakk4223 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:29 am

Nope. He rearranged his releases so that jtbin contains both open and closed betas, and 'jtstable' contains public cores but at a slower cadence than 'jtbin'.

Previously everyone just pulled from jtbin, but now the default is jtstable. Everyone WANTS the open beta cores though, so I bet a large percentage of people opt into it, and experience the issue you are having.

When it was initially said things were being made opt-in, I fully expected a 'jtpatreon' repo to show up that people could opt into. But that's not what we got. Oh well.

I understand Jotego's need for support, but this implementation is not a good user experience. It's rather off-putting that they're using bundling like a cable company does.

So alright, how do I un-pollute my SD card then? Do I have to reinstall everything?

So Jose (and Alexey, Sergey and so many others) is pretty much god's gift to retrogaming, but you liken his beta versions to pollution...? C'mon, you're better than that.

Just tell your friends that you don't support the work that's being done and they'll understand why you can't show off the full potential of your MiSTer yet. There's nothing awkward about it whatsoever.

aberu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:33 pm All good points. Almost all beta cores with patreons are this way however, so your last sentence is spot on!