MiSTer FPGA Forum

I'm speechless, this is one of the worst reviews or talks i've ever seen about the mister, he didn't even talked about what's supported, also "maybe dreamcast" misinformation about what the board can actually achieve..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zesVf3XWayI

He is not know for quality videos or reviews in general. I personally did not expect anything else. Sorry that he does not get MiSTer. Let him keep looking for gems, I guess

Rambo 2 works just fine on the C64 Core too. At least the one that was in Gamebase 17

He is a nice dude (old Sierra Online employee), but the often misses the mark.
He once gave a good review to an HDMI Gamecube dingle that later FRIED his console (it shortcircuited it), and he still has the positive review video up on Youtube nonetheless.

oh yeah i remember that video, i think he missed the mark of the mister by a lot, i think that misteraddons should have picked up another reviewer for the product

NegSol wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:41 pm Sorry that he does not get MiSTer.

...and that becomes all the more obvious by his appeal for "moar powah!"

I sense he might have gotten some basic clues around the subject matter, but at the same time he doesn't want to fluster/alienate his target audience.

chocomochino wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:24 pm I'm speechless, this is one of the worst reviews or talks i've ever seen about the mister, he didn't even talked about what's supported, also "maybe dreamcast" misinformation about what the board can actually achieve..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zesVf3XWayI

I'm fine with it because it's a great vid to demonstrate how the average normie reacts to the MiSTer without much context or understanding. I wouldn't get too hung up on how detailed he is, now there are more people that will look into the MiSTer than there were before.

makes misteraddon look like he gave him junk very bad take on mister lol

Completely clueless making a video without doing any research.

"MisterAddons provided me with this MiSTer rig so I could do this review. But you don't need to buy anything from MisterAddons. You can buy everything you need from amazon.com"

Stay classy, dude.

chocomochino wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:17 pm oh yeah i remember that video, i think he missed the mark of the mister by a lot, i think that misteraddons should have picked up another reviewer for the product

I can't think of a retro youtuber with a larger audience. Getting an 80%-equivalent review from such a big guy is more than worth the exposure.

I know that he states it's a first impressions at the beginning of the video and not a comprehensive review but I was honestly disappointed in the video as well. Something felt off about the video compared to his others. His voice sounds like he's sick or recovering so maybe he wrote the script while under the weather. It also seemed like he was purposely trying to avoid mentioning other FPGA devices like the Analogue consoles or the not long ago reviewed Super HD System3 Pro add on for PC Engine. Could be just how I look at costs, but I can't help but think those would be easy comparisons that his audience would already be familiar with (with possible card links to self promote his other videos) to help explain why the full stack costs as much as it does.

I dunno. Maybe he should have extended it to be a full, in depth review or planned a follow up video diving deeper into it. There's just so much to cover with a MiSTer and I think that's part of our let down of the video; skipping a little too much that he would have shown off better for other devices. Then again, I've been taken aback a bit over his content ever since I recently saw RetroRGB's latency test of the Pound cables that MetalJesusRocks was fine with. Since he's someone that regularly plays original systems on a CRT, I don't know how those cables weren't driving him bonkers as he was trying them out.

It wasn't a negative review overall. Yes he was critical of a few aspects, and yes, those criticisms do lack a lot of context and understanding of the abilities of the board and development goals of the cores in question, but it is a review from the point of view of a novice. That doesn't make it an invalid viewpoint.

Honestly I think the number of people making wild claims about FPGA = 100% total accuracy do more to damage the public perception of the project than an earnest yet uneducated review with inflated expectations.

i just watched this too.
i agree, he kind of focused on arcade games and old computer systems.
and while those are cool and a big reason to get a MiSTer, i feel like he should have spent some time on the console cores and mentioning how these single cores are packaged for ~$200 each from analogue (albeit in a much prettier shell/presentation)

however, he will get more eyes on the MiSTer, and thats always a good thing.
imo, if input lag and original refresh rates are a big deal to you, FPGA is the best as it gets.
i couldnt imagine playing retro on modern TVs any other way

I liked how enthusiastic he is about MiSTer in general. I also really appreciate MiSTer's low latency in combination with displaying on a CRT the way it was originally meant to be (and the potential accuracy, if the programmer is able to achieve it).

I have no idea why he thinks MiSTer is mostly used for arcade games. He then for some reason didn't realize the same advantages he appreciates so much apply to the console and computer cores as well, stating you might as well get a Pi for a fraction of the price.

And one thing I really appreciate about MiSTer is the great emulation of obscure systems. The museum-factor of such a small device is a big plus to me.

One other thing I realized, after getting a PiTrex (Pi Zero to Vectrex cartridge, which is really cool), is how spoiled I am with the great developer support MiSTer has. Which is something he did mention.

Also setting up is super easy when using something like Mr. Fusion. MiSTer is so much less of a hassle to set up and use than RetroArch, or the often major hassle of jail-breaking a console. Even when you get all the expansion boards they are really simple to connect.

I agree the exposure will probably help anyway. That case from Mister Addons looks fantastic. I personally love to be able to see the internals with all the lights, but a lot of people are put off by that.

Anyway, he should have done more research, which is is expected from any reviewer.

chocomochino wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:24 pm I'm speechless, this is one of the worst reviews or talks i've ever seen about the mister, he didn't even talked about what's supported, also "maybe dreamcast" misinformation about what the board can actually achieve..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zesVf3XWayI

I don't know, I don't think it was that bad he seemed quite pleased with the device overall, seems like maybe he missed the point a little and clearly (as others have noted) didn't make the logical leap that the benefit to arcade games also applies to console ones.

Like many here I've tried multiple different ways of getting an emulator fix over the years and having a complete setup, from individual emulators under Windows to RetroArch under Windows and Linux, RetroPie, Lakka and Batocera on a Pi3/4. One problem they all have in common is slow to boot the OS and access the games, plus significantly more latency than original hardware even when using things like 'runahead' in RetroArch.

I've never completed a game using a software emulator yet multiple on MiSTer, the latency is just that much better so much so that in some tests it is as low as on original hardware... For later machines like PS2, GC, DC and later the latency factor is not so big but earlier it is a game changer.

That said MJR did say it will live next to his CRT at the end of the video, so it couldn't have been a bad impression.

He's a show boater, a performer. He wants clicks, and eyes watching his videos, so he can make money. People like him seem to commercialise retro, and turn it into a profit-making thing, rather than a love of the actual hardware. He also likes to show off. "Look at me, everyone, look at what I have, and you don't" type of videos.
There are loads of these types of channels on Youtube, and they all perform for the camera to get clicks, to get paid. The only one I have liked is The8bitguy, I find David to be more genuine, knows what he is talking about, what he is doing, and doesn't come across as an arrogant ass.
Most of these channels start small, friendly, speak to their audience, and interact. As soon as the subs rise substantially, they become arrogant, don't speak to the audience, don't interact, and certainly don't like awkward, but honest questions in the comments.

It would have blown his mind if he'd seen the ao486 core a year 'n a half ago.. lol

Who gives a fuck? Who is he anyway ?

Is everybody else watching a different video?

I don't know of this guy but the video seems fine and overwhelmingly positive towards the MiSTer and the community. He comes across like a nice dude just giving his honest opinion. Whats going on here?

A couple of days research, and he could have uploaded a very positive video. Instead, he moans about things he clearly doesn't understand, and this is not only illustrated in the comments, it's projected in the comments. Read some of the comments, like "The Mister can't even play DOS games, so it must be crap" - ok, this is loosely based on what was posted, but the facts remain - some think the Mister is just some under-powered emulation device, and these videos don't really help.
And is he a nice guy off the camera ? Maybe. But, I see lots of "Look at all my games collections" videos, or "Look at all my lovely hardware", and all I can think of, who the fuck cares ? I own lots of real hardware, I own a nice car, a lawn mower, a washing machine, a 60" OLED TV, I don't make videos telling others what I own - who cares ? To me is screams - I own all this shit, paid for by your clicks. Show-boating, at the extreme.

The video is terrible. For a retro focused YouTuber, it a shame to be so clueless about what the Mister is capable of doing, what is it for, or just not being aware of what is being worked on (like with the PSX and Saturn cores) when it's litteraly all over Twitter and YouTube. Also the price is not suppose to be 450$. 2 years ago it was 250/300$. The chip shortage impacted this a lot. While the overall tone of the video is not negative, he is just soooo misinformed, that it's really hard to watch and take him seriously on the topic.

hiddenbyleaves wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:39 am Is everybody else watching a different video?

I don't know of this guy but the video seems fine and overwhelmingly positive towards the MiSTer and the community. He comes across like a nice dude just giving his honest opinion. Whats going on here?

The main problem here, is that we have a lot of Mister content on the web, doing research on the topic is pretty easy.
You have a small channel like Video Game Esoterica that is doing so much better at informing people on what you actully get with each core, while this man just has no clue and talks like he does... That's the problem

MiSTer_Kirk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:12 pm I own lots of real hardware, I own a nice car, a lawn mower, a washing machine, a 60" OLED TV, I don't make videos telling others what I own - who cares ? To me is screams - I own all this shit, paid for by your clicks. Show-boating, at the extreme.

hang on...... you got a lawnmower..........???? woah there nellie.. what type.. flymo or old fashion petrol driven?

Metal jesus shouldn't do any hardware base reviews.
His game cube video adapter video and later fiasco proves as much.

He should really stick to coving software/games.

[Edited to add additional comments, after rewatching the video]
From what I see watching Metal Jesus' videos (not just the one in question), he doesn't really know hardware that well.
Hardware reviews, especially new hardware or mods was never his strength.

His older consoles unmodded videos are reasonably fair.

His strengths are in old/obscure games, his "Hidden Gems" (which I think he should so down on sometimes), and his perspective and background being a former game software dev.

Yes the AO486 core is still lacking, but the problem here is that that era of DOS gaming is about as problematic on real devices as the A0486.
Metal Jesus should of realize this (as he was a old school dev), rather than focusing on what DOS games the MiSTer struggled with.
To be fair to Metal jesus, the AO486 core is missing that floating point unit support on the CPU. Comparing to DOS box isn't a fair comparison as DOSBOX does per game config files that changes up how the whole emulator simulates the computer, MiSTer is more of a static middle of the road approach.
I think with this LRG would be a better person to review the A0486 core pros and cons.

His C64 is evenly handed, and his issues could be easily from how the nature of pirated C64 software messed with game loading.

His console coverage is too brief, and he he was impressed with the Arcade cores.

bazza_12 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:11 pm hang on...... you got a lawnmower..........???? woah there nellie.. what type.. flymo or old fashion petrol driven?

I'll have know, it's a petrol. But not any petrol, oh no, this is a HONDA!!. Take that, Plastic Jesus.

I haven't watched this particular video; it'd be a struggle with my eyes continually rolling.

I'm sure Jason's a nice guy and all, but he really has no clue when it comes to reviewing retro gaming hardware. I'd take his opinions (negative and positive) with a grain of salt. The same can be said for just about anybody else in his circle.

The video isn't great when it comes to showing off what makes the MiSTer so strong, but he's got a big dedicated community & he's only really shown this device in a positive light.

While there's criticism be made here, it's lame of a lot of you to straight bash on someone who has seemly only helped this community by introducing to 100,000 people who may not of known about this device by making a slightly flawed video about it. Feeling serious vibes of elitisms on a device that is just starting to build it's community that is that has a scatted knowledgebase to begin with. Unwelcoming attitudes.

This best approach here to avoid people making uninformed videos is for this community to work on making dedicated easily digestible resources for people just getting started.

The idea that he didn't mention a WIP Saturn core that is locked behind a Patreon with no front facing information out there apart from googling "Saturn on MiSTer" or something of the like if you're not already involved in this community is seriously reaching for something to be upset about because you are looking for a reason to complain.

I've only recently started watching his channel and caught this video a few days back. And I have to agree with HappeLemons above.

I'd only add that he does have a bias though and this is disruptive tech to that whole collectors market.