Controllers

[chocomochino]

i think a lot of people will go for a Ps3; but is there any recommended solution (wireless) for PSX & Saturn max compatility?

[FoxbatStargazer]

PS4/5?

You can always map Saturn Z/C to L2/R2 on any modern controller. But did you specifically want 6 face buttons? That might be hard to get while keeping dual analog sticks.

[chocomochino]

well i've heard that the sixasis (motion controller) actually sends a lot of instructions to the mister generating lag (i have no idea if this is true) i also do not like dualshock 4 light (i think it kills the mood and just drains the battery)

[kalach.x]

According to this nice spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0 very good option for Mister is PS5 gamepad. It has ~1.8ms latency over USB and ~6.2ms wireless which is marginally better than what PS4 gamepad scored. PS3 pad has much higher latency which is unfortunate for me because I intended Mister to be some use case for it.

With wireless there is also additional thing to take in to consideration: BT receiver and how it itself affects latency.
USB connection is simpler and what I personally use. Connecting PS5 gamepad to mister doesn't unpair it from PS5 so when pad is disconnected from Mister it can be used with PS5 normally.

[Schyz]

For Saturn I will use my 8Bitdo M30, seems like the perfect fit and it has worked great so far with the Megadrive core.

For PlayStation any gamepad for PC should work, I will use my 8Bitdo Pro 2, which I use with many cores in MiSTer and I haven't had any issues yet.

If you want to use a PlayStation controller and you are having issues, give a try to the 8Bitdo Wireless dongle, it should take whatever signals the controller sends and translate them into pure XInput, so no sixaxis/motion signals will reach the USB port.

[FoxbatStargazer]

The 8bitdo pro/2 does come to mind if you want Playstation style stick placement. Set in x-input mode it won't send any gyro data.

[dmckean]

The usb PS1 controllers that come with the Playsation Classic console have really low lag.

[Schyz]

The usb PS1 controllers that come with the Playsation Classic console have really low lag.

OP requested wireless.

[djsquare]

I ordered one of these from Raphnet
https://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/p ... /index.php

I also use their Saturn adapter and it works wonderful. I always recommend their products but then again, I don't care about wireless controllers at all.

[darksakul]

I found PS4 Dual Shock and PS5 Dual Sense works the best

Past MiSTer updates fixed the issue with motion controls.

[chocomochino]

Thank you so much for all the comments! this really helps me ! 8bitdo pro 2 and Dualshock 5 are great wireless options, i also right now use a m30 and a sfc classic controller with raphnet, i think i'll go with the dualshock 5 because i cna use it with the ps5 when i get the slim version :v

[held]

This was an interesting read: https://www.retrorgb.com/controller-lag ... osted.html
And this an easy page to filter on controller types: https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

I just put in Sony and I got this:

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	Device				Connection		Latency (in ms)	Category	Row
191	Sony - DualSense		Wired USB			1.809	Controller	227
192	Sony - DualSense		BT (CSR8510)			6.322	Controller	228
193	Sony - DualShock 3		Wired USB			9.266	Controller	229
194	Sony - DualShock 3		BT (CSR8510)			11.646	Controller	230
195	Sony - DualShock 4 (Rev2)	Wired USB			3.56	Controller	231
196	Sony - DualShock 4 (Rev2)	BT (CSR8510)			6.495	Controller	232
197	Sony - DualShock 4 (Rev2)	Sony Off. DS4 Adapter		32.831	Controller	233
198	Sony - Playstation Classic	Wired USB			2.044	Controller	235

I hate those PS5 Controllers because of the embedded microphone, so I think its going to be PS4 for me.
I haven't figured out yet what I'm going to do, maybe I could pry them out. Oh well.

Does anyone have problems with the cheaper BT receivers?

[drgruney]

I hate those PS5 Controllers because of the embedded microphone, so I think its going to be PS4 for me.
I haven't figured out yet what I'm going to do, maybe I could pry them out. Oh well.

Why is the mic a problem? Is there an audio device driver conflict?

[softtest9]

Using the DualSense on anything but a PS5 seems to be a bit problematic. Last time I tried it on the MiSTer, it would consistently cancel out my USB drive on boot. I had to boot it with the DualSense disconnected and then I connected the DualSense when the MiSTer was up and running.

I've also noticed that on a PC, the buttons are wrong in XInput games or they just aren't recognized in some cases. Reminds me of when I tried the DualShock 3 on a PC some years ago. Wireless didn't work at all, LEDs were always blinking etc. My best recommendation for now is to play it safe and go for one of the wired Logitech controllers and not mess with console controllers (unless you already got one laying around).

[hiddenbyleaves]

Wow the DS3 is worse wired than the DS4 over bluetooth!!

[FoxbatStargazer]

Wow on the DS3 numbers... has to be part of why PS2 games can feel so laggy even on a full BC PS3... although the PS3 polling rate may be too low to appreciate much better!

[held]

Why is the mic a problem? Is there an audio device driver conflict?

No, I just hate the idea of battery powered Bluetooth microphones laying around the house.

Wow the DS3 is worse wired than the DS4 over bluetooth!!

Not if you use the Official Sony Dual Shock 4 Adapter/Receiver

Using the DualSense on anything but a PS5 seems to be a bit problematic.

I wasn't aware, that really tips in favor of those PS4 controllers. Although I do not notice the lag on my PS3 controller. It actually feels very responsive, even from across the room.

I know its tested an all, but I cant help wondering if the total combination plays a factor. The chips might be the same on some Bluetooth receivers, but the quality might not be. Just like with memory, but I am no expert when it comes to these things.

[chocomochino]

Well, this helps a lot, today my Gf confessed to me she got me a Duashock Ps5 controller for christmas, so it's already settled :v

[time-lord]

Hi, first post. ^^
Has anyone actually tried to use a 8BitDo Pro 2 Controller with a Retro Receiver on this core?
On Linux and Windows everything works flawless, any analog-axes are recognized, with usb-cable or the receiver, everything is set to X-Input mode.
On MiSTer, at least in the "Define joystick buttons" dialog, the two analog-sticks get recognized as well, with usb-cable or the receiver, but they don't work in the Playstation Core.
The controller mode in the menu is set to "Analog", nothing happens if i try to use the analog-sticks.
Do i possibly miss something? L2 and R2 are analog inputs and work as buttons, i tested it mainly in "Croc".
I tried btw. every thinkable constellation of controller- (and receiver-) modes with different beta-firmwares for the receiver, but it leads all to the same result.

[movisman]

For me personally, I've got a PS5 controller in use with MiSTer (as well as an M30). Both are connected using a bluetooth dongle and I've not noticed any problems with either. Both will power off after a period of inactivity. I think to make the PS5 controller power down when not in use, in the mister.ini file you just have to specify the value of bt_auto_disconnect to however many minutes of inactivity you want (default is 0). I set mine to 5 and the feature works. I haven't used the controllers loads, but so far there have been no issues for me.

[time-lord]

... i just tracked my "problem" down.
I use MiSTer since two years but never came across the menu defining page in the dialog for the controller config, because i usually use "L+R" or "Start+Select" for the menu and then press "Enter" on a always connected Keyboard if it says "Ok", i've never seen the pages beyond that...
I can now confirm that 8BitDo Pro 2 analog-sticks work flawless with a usb-cable or the 8BitDo usb-adapter together with the Playstation core. ^^

[held]

Battery empty, I thought I could hook my PS5 controller up to the MiSTer and charge it. But that does not seem to be working. So what can I use, a phone charger?

[Chris23235]

... i just tracked my "problem" down.
I use MiSTer since two years but never came across the menu defining page in the dialog for the controller config, because i usually use "L+R" or "Start+Select" for the menu and then press "Enter" on a always connected Keyboard if it says "Ok", i've never seen the pages beyond that...
I can now confirm that 8BitDo Pro 2 analog-sticks work flawless with a usb-cable or the 8BitDo usb-adapter together with the Playstation core. ^^

And it is a very good controller for the MiSTer in general and PSX core in specific as the controller has the additional Star Button which you can assign the menu while still having all PSX pad buttons.

[held]

Battery empty, I thought I could hook my PS5 controller up to the MiSTer and charge it. But that does not seem to be working. So what can I use, a phone charger?

Answering my own question after some trail and error, these are the controller requirements:

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I had a 5V/2.0A phone charger laying around that does the job. The controller requires 5V/1500mA which is 1.5A. So the 2.0A was more than sufficient. The orange light starts pulsing very slowly on-off-on-off after plugging it in. And after 3 hours of charging the orange light was off and my controller was fully charged.

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Comparing this to the specs of the charging station: 0.1V higher and has 0.8A more so it is able to charge 2 controllers

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However the battery inside requires 3.65v/1.4A while the controller itself asks for 5V/1500mA

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I tried to charge it through the MiSTer, but since its connected its always active indicated by the white light, so it drains just as much as it charges. Anyone know how to prevent it being on while the cable is attached?

And did anyone successfully use the Bluetooth earphone, all I get it static

[darksakul]

And did anyone successfully use the Bluetooth earphone, all I get it static

Bluetooth audio devices aren't supported on the MiSTer.
I suggest for headphones ether get the audio off the IO Board, HDMI Audio capture, or off the Display.
Most Smart TVs have Bluetooth audio support.

[held]

Bluetooth audio devices aren't supported on the MiSTer.
I suggest for headphones ether get the audio off the IO Board, HDMI Audio capture, or off the Display.
Most Smart TVs have Bluetooth audio support.

I think I can only connect it to one device at a time (see the headphone jack on the controller in the post above (1st picture), the audio is transferred to the controller itself). Just to be clear is this the:

• this will never be supported
• this is not supported currently and we have no plans
• we might support it in the future, but we have more important things to do first

?

[darksakul]

Bluetooth audio devices aren't supported on the MiSTer.
I suggest for headphones ether get the audio off the IO Board, HDMI Audio capture, or off the Display.
Most Smart TVs have Bluetooth audio support.

I think I can only connect it to one device at a time (see the headphone jack on the controller in the post above (1st picture), the audio is transferred to the controller itself). Just to be clear is this the:

• this will never be supported
• this is not supported currently and we have no plans
• we might support it in the future, but we have more important things to do first

?

I got multiple game pads to connect to the MiSTer via the same Generic Bluetooth Dongle.
The only BT device that don't do multiple devices is the 8Bitdo receiver, and it acts as if it was a wired controller as far as the MiSTer is concerned.

I only assume BT Audio don't work as it's lacking in the back end/Linux Side or it's the limitations of the FPGA.

[held]

I got multiple game pads to connect to the MiSTer via the same Generic Bluetooth Dongle.
The only BT device that don't do multiple devices is the 8Bitdo receiver, and it acts as if it was a wired controller as far as the MiSTer is concerned.

I only assume BT Audio don't work as it's lacking in the back end/Linux Side or it's the limitations of the FPGA.

Afaict its missing a package: bluealsa which from what I've read should be able to provide A2DP.

[darksakul]

I got multiple game pads to connect to the MiSTer via the same Generic Bluetooth Dongle.
The only BT device that don't do multiple devices is the 8Bitdo receiver, and it acts as if it was a wired controller as far as the MiSTer is concerned.

I only assume BT Audio don't work as it's lacking in the back end/Linux Side or it's the limitations of the FPGA.

Afaict its missing a package: bluealsa which from what I've read should be able to provide A2DP.

Well, that answers one question.
The other one is, if it's added will it work?

[held]

Probably needs some configuration in redirecting the sound. But I'm no expert unfortunately