MiSTer FPGA Forum

PikWik wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:02 am the MD5 version of chrono trigger im using is 395bf4d0a75717b03c0c2131495faf7a, CRC 8A36ED76 (which is the suggested rom from romhacking.net)

PikWik wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:02 am thank you all that have checked this!
i know that was a big ask to leave it running for that long. and i apologize for not including more information in my original post to troubleshoot further

the MD5 version of chrono trigger im using is 395bf4d0a75717b03c0c2131495faf7a, CRC 8A36ED76 (which is the suggested rom from romhacking.net) im on the latest version of MiSTer OS, v220819, and the latest version of the SNES core, v220909

the MiSTer has a heatsink/noctua fan, and the DE-10 was bought as a complete unit from a main US supplier.
the ram is passing at 140. the SD card is a green 64gb EVO, and i have a meanwell power supply

what makes it stranger still is that it doesnt happen with every game on the SNES core. i can leave earthbound running in the background for hours with no issue, but chrono trigger will freeze at a particular spot every time after a couple hours of running. this is not happening with other cores and was also not happening with a previous version of the core before this update. and also, it doesnt happen if im playing chrono trigger for multiple hours, only if i leave it running on the main intro

i suppose it could be an SD card issue, but i will hold off on doing a full backup due to the amount of time it takes to transfer everything and set it all up

ItalianGrandma wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:11 pm I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up being an SD card issue.

PistolsAtDawn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:21 pm Micro SD cards have not ever proven to be reliable in the long term for an OS in my experience. I would pop it out and check it for errors if you can. Or maybe setup a spare card and test this there.

Is your MiSTer cooled? Could it be overheating?

darksakul wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:21 amThat's half true. With Modern OS yes such as Windows 10/11, you don't want to run off a SD card.
Older OS. like Win 98, you should be fine.

With the MiSTer, as it uses such a stripped down and minimalized version of Linux as the back end, and cores seldom do any writes (mostly with game saves or updates), your SD card should be fine for YEARS.

And reads shouldn't be a problem its writes that there a fix limit. With modern SD cards you have to Write and Erase data daily on that SD card for decades before you wear it out.

PikWik wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:58 pm

ItalianGrandma wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:11 pm I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up being an SD card issue.

i would accept that answer, but i was under the impression that once a game/ROM is loaded, there is no more SD card access until you save the game/SRAM by opening the OSD menu, and even then the MiSTer is only saving to a separate location from the ROM and core folder location

im also reluctant to think its an SD card issue, as another user has reported a weird SNES core freezing issue where their controllers stop responding, but switching the SNES core version to another one before the v220909 update works - viewtopic.php?t=5393

as of now, ill just not leave those games running in the background as an attract mode and cross my fingers that the next SNES update fixes things

PikWik wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:01 am

pretty much the title

this did not happen with the previous SNES core, or any of the other cores i leave the intro running for long periods of time, but something with the new SNES core update freezes after a couple of hours

games ive seen it happen the most are chrono trigger and nightmare busters

anybody else able to reproduce this (i know it takes a while )

Are you able to test this with a cheap 32MB RAM module?

hmm, i am not. i only have a 128

i can say, the SNES core wouldnt freeze while leaving a games intro running for a long time until i made that post, and i have left many arcade cores running in attract mode for hours since

but i havent run the SNES core intros since making this post, and i do know there have been several updates to the core since making this post.
if its does happen again, i will update yall

yes, tested again while i did my weekend routine, left chrono trigger demo on for a couple hours, and the game froze up

i do want to note, its only the game that freezes and not the core.
i can access the SNES core menu as normal, and the controller responds to button pushes

i cant confirm if its the RAM, but i am going to assume at this point that it is the RAM and a newer version of the 128 will work.
i bought the entire kit before the chip shortage and price hikes, so perhaps its a slightly out of date 128,
but it also doesnt happen when i play other SNES games for hours and hours, so who knows at this point.

could very well just be a corrupted ROM file and a redownload of chrono trigger may fix it. i will try that next

On the off chance that you still remember, was this screen where the freeze happened?

PistolsAtDawn wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:00 am

Agreed in general. As with most things, the devil is in the details. Something I've come across before: Counterfeit Samsung EVO cards are commonly sold by Amazon as real because Amazon mixes their stock in with third party vendors as long as the SKU is the same, but they do no verification that the third party's stock is genuine. Point being that even when a customer orders what is supposed to be a good quality SD card, sometimes they get a very convincing counterfeit and don't notice until odd issues are seen like the one in question here.

(Though I think OP has an EVO Select which are only made for Amazon, so it should be genuine if so.)

People are also often impatient and eject their cards from a computer without giving them proper time to finish writing and unmount cleanly. Like when adding ROMs maybe. Hell, I know better and still sometimes do this accidentally with SD cards.

So in general when I offer diagnostic advice to people online, I always treat the SD card as being suspect by default. It never hurts to try another to see if the problem behavior is able to be replicated.

I've run into that before. I think the best way to get a good one is to order directly!

https://www.westerndigital.com/brand/sandisk

I’ve left the Chrono Trigger intro run for over 6 hours now and it hasn’t crashed. After how long does it happen to you?

apologies for taking so long to reply. it is a time consuming task of testing for this issue and also playing games on the MiSTer.
this is where it would happen every time i would run Chrono Trigger and just let it play the intro without me touching anything,
then it would freeze after about 3 hours

noting, i could still access the MiSTer menu, it was just the game that would freeze and not the whole system

notice i said "would" ...

what i tried was downloading a new ROM, which had the same freeze. i bought some of that new Taki RAM, but still the same. and then i saw a kind of bigger update to the SNES core was released yesterday, so i installed it and tried again.... & thank the FPGA gods, ran the whole night with no freezes!!

what i do know, the cores from SNES_20220909.rbf to the release of SNES_20240919.rbf were throwing "something" off after a certain number of the intros playing. i was not having the issue prior to SNES_20220909.rbf (could of been SNES_20220712.rbf, but most likely 20220909).

when looking up how long the intro plays for, it is about 3min5sec (185 seconds). since this seemed to happen exactly around 3 hours (10,800 seconds), something was happening around the 64th time the intro was playing. this may or may not have caused the game freezing, im not knowledgeable about the inner workings of the core to have a real answer.

either way, it was a minor annoyance, but now its fixed!